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David Ho, who was once named Time’s Person of the Year for his AIDS research contributions, is working on Covid19 now at Columbia U. Here’s a brief outtake from his interview with Rachel Maddow. Long story short, this story’s gonna be longer than we’d like.

+ “You may have seen graphs that look like this. It shows how far behind Italy we are tracking in days and how our trajectory compares. The US and every country that hasn’t taken better preventive measures like S Korea and Japan is directly on course.” Andy Slavitt, who you should definitely be following on Twitter, with an update on Covid19 and the healthcare system.